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Poetry = Literature
@curtis I don't agree with the idea of poetry being held to a higher standard than prose. Yes, poetry is more emotional and it is presented in a more expressive way, but I don't think that means it is superior or to be held above prose at all. They are different and can't really be compared in that sense. They each have their own functions and qualities that make them what they are, but their differences doesn't make one better than the other.
I agree that poetry and other literature are there for different purposes. With your thought that poetry is introspective, that could be a reason why Arnold values poetry more. That would allow him for find more answers in himself than searching for meaning in literature made for society's view. I hadn't thought of that idea of their differences before but I definitely see now how their purposes pose different meanings.
@persephone me too. I have never really given poetry a chance because I have always found it boring and difficult. These two things together completely repelled me away from the topic altogether. But since I am in this class, it has opened me a lot to literature and especially poetry, and I am able to actually understand what I am reading now. This makes poetry so much more enjoyable!
@gardella I think that your description of how you struggle with poetry is one that a lot of us can empathize with. For e personally, when reading poetry I just try and overanalyze it. I know that I am used to reading prose, which I think has metaphors and hidden meanings that are much more spread out, which I think makes prose easier to understand because when I do come across something I think might have more than a surface level meaning, have more information that is easier for me to apply to whatever I'm trying to analyze. When I read poetry, because the metaphors and representations are often in much higher quantities and much closer together, I try and overanalyze it, so that even if I miss some small meaning here or there, because I am looking for meaning in every word I think that I can get a lot more meaning out of a piece of poetry.
Poetry has not had a deep impact in my reading life, mainly because the way we were taught to read poetry was to think of the author as the narrator and not a storyteller. Since we were young, we were indoctrinated by the Texas school system to view poems this way. Just up until now my eyes were open and the veil placed upon was lifted. My mind was freed and due to this I enjoyed mending wall much more than I would've with the restrictions I was taught.
@msar That is very interesting, because I've always learned to see it the opposite: poetry is the artsy emotional expression, and prose is the more rigid narration. I wonder, is it a cultural difference between here and the south? But I absolutely agree, being able to see the speaker as less of an author and more of a character truly helped me enjoy some poems.
@carlatortelli I really like this idea that there is no way to be completely "done" with analyzing poetry. It is so complex that no matter how long you interpret it, it can always be further analyzed. This is a very important thing to remember when reading poetry, because if you carry this mindset ahead of time when beginning to read poetry, you can more easily interpret it in the way that you wish.
@ahayo - I agree I feel like poetry can be put into subcategories within the large scope of literature. Poetry has many elements of literature, but many elements of poetry are not explicitly in literature. I feel like it depends on which works you are comparing, but as a whole poetry is a form of literature. I agree with you, for some reason I always have more difficulty understanding poetry over novels or short stories.
@delphine I disagree with you on this. I think that as Modernists think, there is onl;y so much meaning to be contained in a work of writing. Even though poetry can be incredibly complex I don't think anything that has ever been written is infinitely analyzable. When an author writes something, eve if every single word contains its own unique and complex meaning, there are only so many words. The hungry hungry caterpillar can probably be analyzed to ridiculous extents of being a metaphor for capitalist hunger, but even if someone wants to take an analysis that far, there is only so much meaning to be taken out of any piece of writing, be it prose or poetry.
@delphine To a certain extent, I agree with you. However, I don’t think it’s possible for a piece to never reach its full analysis. A poem cannot have an infinite amount of things to analyze, it’s just the inability to analyze the piece to its fullest extent. Poems are complex, yes, but it’s more a matter of how much the reader is able to analyze.
I grew up with some poetry in my life, mainly Robert Frost. My dad would reference some poems throughout my life so I became somewhat interested in poetry. I would say in the beginning analyzing poems only in a school setting was very bland. As I started to take an interest thats when I saw it could actually be a form of expression. The early school system seemed to water the concept of poetry down a bit. Now taking classes such as this one, we can see how poetry can be so much more than what we might have learned earlier on. Poetry is overall a very interesting topic to dive into.
@gardella I feel like poetry and just some sentences both have their own challenges. Though I do agree that poetry is in some ways is harder to swallow. I too have felt uneasy when all you see are a bunch of short lines accompanied by a ton of stanzas. The multiple meanings and concepts can be pretty challenging, but eye opening at the same time. Its hard to get into something that we have only analyzed and written analysis papers on. Getting past those grey patches we have with poetry and seeing its many forms is actually pretty cool. There are so many forms and I hope you find some that peak your interest!
@xmysterio I really enjoyed how you said that both poetry and literature serve the same purpose, one that creates this sort of figurative world. I would say some in those categories even allow us to take a breath from reality for a few minutes or so. When someone brings up literature I think more along the lines of novels, short stories and classics. When I think of literature I do think of poetry as well. They both serve that purpose to convey a meaning of sorts, or to create a new reality in your mind. I view poetry and literature on the same level, they are kinda each just different forms of each other.
@klynnph I agree with you! I see poetry as a form of literature, but at the same time poetry still keeps its various forms. Poetry is a very wide form of literature. Both of these concepts convey a meaning of sorts and allow the reader to discover new things about the world or even themselves in some cases. Both poetry and Literature can be very personal or very formal if you give them a chance. In a way they are just forms of each other, if that makes any sense at all. Either way they both evoke their own different qualities, yet they are so similar in concept.
@msar I couldn't help but feel the same way. I have never felt like poetry had an impact on my life whatsoever, mostly because I found it very confusing and difficult to understand. Not until now do I appreciate it much more, because I am actually able to understand it. I am starting to enjoy reading it a lot as well, because it has a lot of aspects in literature that I have not exposed myself top yet. I hope we get to read some more quality poems that I like.
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